Based on the Podcast "Victorian Ladies and Gentlemen," how would you characterized the gender roles of upper class men and women during the Victorian England? Use specific examples from the notes you take on the lecture to build your summary.
During this period, men and women were not treated equally. Men had the upper hand in everything and women are expected to do what is expected of them. Such as taking care of the children, and cleaning the house. They had no right to punish the child or to command them to do as she said, because that was the father’s position. It was looked down on when a woman would command the child to do something and upon the child’s complaint to the father, only black stares would be given. During this period a divorce was not allowed. Even at times where the couple would not see each other for years upon years at a time, the only way for a divorce to happen would be by enactment in the house of the lords. The law holds the woman to be held to her husband no matter what, while a man would not be bound by law to his husband, only to his country. It is good to see that women are not oppressed in this deay and time, as they were in earlier times. -Kailtyn King
There was an ideology of the genders during Victorian times, known as the seperate spheres. The woman was expected to be selfless and stay at home and the man was associated with action and agression. Men were to command and women were to obey. Sarah Stickney Ellis encouaged women to accept their inferiority. Women were supposed to be a moral light in the darkness, and are supposed to have a small and central sphere. The women in England were somewhat better than the women in other countries. Women were generous and had moral courage. A man could divorce his wife for infidelity alone, but a woman had to have more than just that. It had to be infidelity and incest or desertion, or something along those lines.
In Victorian London there were very strict social classes. The division in the upper class was between men and women. The woman’s role in life was to keep the house clean, the food cooked, and the men happy. Whereas all the man had to do was work and have fun. The women were seen as property of their husband and had no rights aside from what their husband allowed them to do. They couldn’t file for divorce, they couldn’t write a will, and they couldn’t do something to make any money because everything they had was their husband’s. They were viewed as nothing more than slaves.
In this podcast it was very interesting to hear how women were seen in the ENglish Society. Hearing that women had no major rights and that they belonged to their husbands is weird, knowing how today's society treats women. Knowing that women weren't always like they are today is just astonishing. 3-Dillon Hollins-3
So women really had nothing back in the day. They kind of just did everything that the men in their lives wanted them to do. They were supposed to focus on taking care of the house and the children and men were supposed to take care of everything else. Men pretty much owned thier wives, and they had to do what the men wanted and they couldn't get divorced so they would always be "owned" by their husbands. In the women's education they had no fun time just time to do work and learn and talk in different languages. They also had to do work like put clothes on dolls or sew things. I def could not have lived back then.
Life for women pretty much stunk. They were educated in a schoolroom where it is crowded and noisey. Also, they had no time for recreation. Women read books about accepting their inferiority to men. Married women had no legal existance in England.They could not make a will or even claim earnings. Everything that they earned was the husbands.
Women were looked down upon during the victorian period. The women were the ones who manly staid at home and did all the house work, along with the jobs that they may have had. The man in the relationship was the one who did or signed anything legal. It was frowned upon if the women was caught trying to do anything like that.
When listening to the podcast it made me feel sorry for the women back in the Victorian period. Women in the Victorian period didn't have any rights. They lived to marry a rich man and make him happy. I would of hated to live during the Victorian period because I would want to be free. Women couldn't get divorced if there husbands were cheating on them. If they did get a divorce, men would get custody of the children. Women during the Victorian period deserved to have rights.
I thought that the lecture gave insight into the duties and roles of women during Victorian England. I learned that most women took care of the household, children, and the estate. The man of the family took care of the finances and labored. The husband was seen as a strong force in the family because he provided the necessities and was meant to be dependable. In the book Emma, the author suggests that women were more quick to anger because they had alot more on their plates than the man of the house. I feel that the Victorian period carried over to the United States and up until a few years ago, this taboo of depending on a man is becoming a thing of the past. -- Alisa Munford --
During this time men controled everything annd women had no rights. There was somthing by the name of seperate fear that believed that Man for field women for harvest Man head women heart, Man to command women to obey to name a few. Childern were to do what they liked and not to be corrected by there mothers. -torey C
I didn't like how the women were treated by the men back then. Im glad that the times have changed. The thought of having pretty much no meaning or purporse, other the tending to the children and the household is very hurtful. women couldn't claim their own money they had to give it to their husband, and it was then up to the husband if the wife got anything back. The fact that a husband could divorce his wife due to infidelity but the wife could divorce from him because of adultery is absolutelt ridiculous. I love the way we live today, its not always easy for women but its much better than it was back then *Teidra White
Upperclass men and women roles in the Victorian England era were vey different. Women were basically like robots, only program to do thier told. Women in this age never were aloud to have personality or explore what they could be passionate about. They had to stick to raising the kids and acting the "woman" role. They were completely domianted by there men. Men got everything in the marriage. He even was rightful to her pay. Woman had no rights what so ever. Damian Blewitt
The Victorian era established seperate spheres for men and women.
Private schools for men included uncorfortable learning quaters, strict disciplin and education, learning French
Established separate spheres • Private schools were really really aimed toward learning o Uncomfortable o Strict o French itilian german languages learned o Music singing drawing, no classical lanuages • 20 lbs/year for governance • As a governance, it is really hard because the kids do not listen and there is nothing she can do to correct them o More like a slave • Subject of womens rights o Beiung is absorbed in that of her husband o One with her husband o Coverature legal doctrine o Cannot mnake a will, clain her own earnings: saliries are the husbands o Special act of parlimant anulls the marriage: wife cannot obtain divorece or remarry o Cannot prosecute for liable o Cannot get lease or acty for support o Hes nopt bound to her, bound to country • Class diference • Before 1857 matrimonial causes act passed • Law titlted in favor of m,ales • Ofeten got children • Husband can divore for infidelity • Woman could not divorce for adultery unless cruelty, desertion or insest.
The term ladies and gentlemen is an ideology meaning seperate fears. Women's purity gave them moral authorities. In 1852 Signifacantly English Women Magazine was published. Boarding school cost 1000 pounds for 2 years.
The differences between the two genders were like the difference between a cat and a dog. The men were always the dominate gender and the women always had to listen to what their husband said. They basically had no rights and had to rely on what their husbands or whatever male family relative gave to them. The duties of women were to raise the children and to keep house and play hostess to the guests. They were to pass on the traits to their children and to basically be a kept woman. When they did go to school, it was to learn about music and art not math and the other studies like the men, and when they learned a language it wasn’t the classical language they weren’t allowed to know French or German. In the pod cast he mentions Sarah Stickney Ellis, an author who wrote the novels, The women of England…ect.
In Rick Albright's podcast, I learned some very interesting things about Victorian Women. Education wise, women were taught subjects like music, dancing, and drawing. They did not learn languages like Greek or Latin. They were taught only French, Italian, and German. Women were considered to be inferior to men. The world of action and agression belonged to men. The author of The Women of England, Sarah Ellis, advised women to accept this.
His speech was mainly about how men had all the rights and women had none. Men could cheat, spend, and do whatever they liked, and not have any consequences. Women on the other hand women were put on this earth for a couple of reasons. They were they to have children, take care of the home and provide a “haven” for the everyday politics and business. They were to relax their husbands. Women had nothing they could marry, or become a maid. There were not many jobs for women either. They could become governess of maids, but not much else. If the women married she had no rights ( she never had any to begin with), but the man controlled everything. She could divorce her, cheat, just anything he liked, but women had to just sit there and be kind and indifferent to everything. There was also a big difference between the rich and poor. If you were rich everything came to you, but if you were poor there was nothing you could really do about it. The poor could not get divorces either, because you needed an act on parliament and so if they did they were put in prison. The only people with power were rich males.
They definitely had a lot higher expectations. They had to learn a lot and I suppose the higher educated you were, the higher class you were. And it was the women's responsibility. And the women were looked at as inferior to men. Women were only there to have children, raise them, and care for the house. The women also had to represent the family and house. They had to be of the upmost supperiority alllll the time. Talk about stressful! And men could do pretty much anything, however, if they were unhappy in marriage there was nothing they could do about it. The women were the only ones that could end a marriage; it was like a business deal. Pretty much, women had tooo much expected from them and had nowhere near enough respect as they deserved. I'm glad it's changed a lot since then. -Lyndsey Epling
• Social class was very rigid. • Women: provided “sanctified haven” • First women’s mag: 1852: English Women’s Domestic Magazine • Women with jobs were paid much less than men • Young girls had no time for fun, only education and religion • Learned modern language, music, dance, drawing, deportment • Many women read “conduct manuals” • Women were supposed to have high morals • Governesses had no life. • 1857-divorce legalized, law still gave males custody of children and didn’t allow women to divorce for infidelity alone • Women were basically property of husbands • Wives couldn’t make a salary or will, or sign a lease • Lower class could never get divorces
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During this period, men and women were not treated equally. Men had the upper hand in everything and women are expected to do what is expected of them. Such as taking care of the children, and cleaning the house. They had no right to punish the child or to command them to do as she said, because that was the father’s position. It was looked down on when a woman would command the child to do something and upon the child’s complaint to the father, only black stares would be given. During this period a divorce was not allowed. Even at times where the couple would not see each other for years upon years at a time, the only way for a divorce to happen would be by enactment in the house of the lords. The law holds the woman to be held to her husband no matter what, while a man would not be bound by law to his husband, only to his country. It is good to see that women are not oppressed in this deay and time, as they were in earlier times.
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There was an ideology of the genders during Victorian times, known as the seperate spheres. The woman was expected to be selfless and stay at home and the man was associated with action and agression. Men were to command and women were to obey. Sarah Stickney Ellis encouaged women to accept their inferiority. Women were supposed to be a moral light in the darkness, and are supposed to have a small and central sphere. The women in England were somewhat better than the women in other countries. Women were generous and had moral courage. A man could divorce his wife for infidelity alone, but a woman had to have more than just that. It had to be infidelity and incest or desertion, or something along those lines.
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In Victorian London there were very strict social classes. The division in the upper class was between men and women. The woman’s role in life was to keep the house clean, the food cooked, and the men happy. Whereas all the man had to do was work and have fun. The women were seen as property of their husband and had no rights aside from what their husband allowed them to do. They couldn’t file for divorce, they couldn’t write a will, and they couldn’t do something to make any money because everything they had was their husband’s. They were viewed as nothing more than slaves.
ReplyDeleteCharity Newman
In this podcast it was very interesting to hear how women were seen in the ENglish Society. Hearing that women had no major rights and that they belonged to their husbands is weird, knowing how today's society treats women. Knowing that women weren't always like they are today is just astonishing.
ReplyDelete3-Dillon Hollins-3
So women really had nothing back in the day. They kind of just did everything that the men in their lives wanted them to do. They were supposed to focus on taking care of the house and the children and men were supposed to take care of everything else. Men pretty much owned thier wives, and they had to do what the men wanted and they couldn't get divorced so they would always be "owned" by their husbands. In the women's education they had no fun time just time to do work and learn and talk in different languages. They also had to do work like put clothes on dolls or sew things. I def could not have lived back then.
ReplyDelete-Nikki Byers
Life for women pretty much stunk. They were educated in a schoolroom where it is crowded and noisey. Also, they had no time for recreation. Women read books about accepting their inferiority to men. Married women had no legal existance in England.They could not make a will or even claim earnings. Everything that they earned was the husbands.
ReplyDelete-Melissa Dolatowski
Women were looked down upon during the victorian period. The women were the ones who manly staid at home and did all the house work, along with the jobs that they may have had. The man in the relationship was the one who did or signed anything legal. It was frowned upon if the women was caught trying to do anything like that.
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When listening to the podcast it made me feel sorry for the women back in the Victorian period. Women in the Victorian period didn't have any rights. They lived to marry a rich man and make him happy. I would of hated to live during the Victorian period because I would want to be free. Women couldn't get divorced if there husbands were cheating on them. If they did get a divorce, men would get custody of the children. Women during the Victorian period deserved to have rights.
ReplyDeleteAshley Creed
I thought that the lecture gave insight into the duties and roles of women during Victorian England. I learned that most women took care of the household, children, and the estate. The man of the family took care of the finances and labored. The husband was seen as a strong force in the family because he provided the necessities and was meant to be dependable. In the book Emma, the author suggests that women were more quick to anger because they had alot more on their plates than the man of the house. I feel that the Victorian period carried over to the United States and up until a few years ago, this taboo of depending on a man is becoming a thing of the past.
ReplyDelete-- Alisa Munford --
During this time men controled everything annd women had no rights. There was somthing by the name of seperate fear that believed that Man for field women for harvest
ReplyDeleteMan head women heart, Man to command women to obey to name a few. Childern were to do what they liked and not to be corrected by there mothers. -torey C
I didn't like how the women were treated by the men back then. Im glad that the times have changed. The thought of having pretty much no meaning or purporse, other the tending to the children and the household is very hurtful. women couldn't claim their own money they had to give it to their husband, and it was then up to the husband if the wife got anything back. The fact that a husband could divorce his wife due to infidelity but the wife could divorce from him because of adultery is absolutelt ridiculous. I love the way we live today, its not always easy for women but its much better than it was back then
ReplyDelete*Teidra White
Upperclass men and women roles in the Victorian England era were vey different. Women were basically like robots, only program to do thier told. Women in this age never were aloud to have personality or explore what they could be passionate about. They had to stick to raising the kids and acting the "woman" role. They were completely domianted by there men. Men got everything in the marriage. He even was rightful to her pay. Woman had no rights what so ever.
ReplyDeleteDamian Blewitt
The Victorian era established seperate spheres for men and women.
ReplyDeletePrivate schools for men included uncorfortable learning quaters, strict disciplin and education, learning French
Established separate spheres
• Private schools were really really aimed toward learning
o Uncomfortable
o Strict
o French itilian german languages learned
o Music singing drawing, no classical lanuages
• 20 lbs/year for governance
• As a governance, it is really hard because the kids do not listen and there is nothing she can do to correct them
o More like a slave
• Subject of womens rights
o Beiung is absorbed in that of her husband
o One with her husband
o Coverature legal doctrine
o Cannot mnake a will, clain her own earnings: saliries are the husbands
o Special act of parlimant anulls the marriage: wife cannot obtain divorece or remarry
o Cannot prosecute for liable
o Cannot get lease or acty for support
o Hes nopt bound to her, bound to country
• Class diference
• Before 1857 matrimonial causes act passed
• Law titlted in favor of m,ales
• Ofeten got children
• Husband can divore for infidelity
• Woman could not divorce for adultery unless cruelty, desertion or insest.
Wesley
The term ladies and gentlemen is an ideology meaning seperate fears. Women's purity gave them moral authorities. In 1852 Signifacantly English Women Magazine was published. Boarding school cost 1000 pounds for 2 years.
ReplyDeleteTierra Tyler
The differences between the two genders were like the difference between a cat and a dog. The men were always the dominate gender and the women always had to listen to what their husband said. They basically had no rights and had to rely on what their husbands or whatever male family relative gave to them. The duties of women were to raise the children and to keep house and play hostess to the guests. They were to pass on the traits to their children and to basically be a kept woman. When they did go to school, it was to learn about music and art not math and the other studies like the men, and when they learned a language it wasn’t the classical language they weren’t allowed to know French or German. In the pod cast he mentions Sarah Stickney Ellis, an author who wrote the novels, The women of England…ect.
ReplyDeleteMary Wittenburg
In Rick Albright's podcast, I learned some very interesting things about Victorian Women. Education wise, women were taught subjects like music, dancing, and drawing. They did not learn languages like Greek or Latin. They were taught only French, Italian, and German. Women were considered to be inferior to men. The world of action and agression belonged to men. The author of The Women of England, Sarah Ellis, advised women to accept this.
ReplyDeleteRaven Robinson
His speech was mainly about how men had all the rights and women had none. Men could cheat, spend, and do whatever they liked, and not have any consequences. Women on the other hand women were put on this earth for a couple of reasons. They were they to have children, take care of the home and provide a “haven” for the everyday politics and business. They were to relax their husbands. Women had nothing they could marry, or become a maid. There were not many jobs for women either. They could become governess of maids, but not much else. If the women married she had no rights ( she never had any to begin with), but the man controlled everything. She could divorce her, cheat, just anything he liked, but women had to just sit there and be kind and indifferent to everything. There was also a big difference between the rich and poor. If you were rich everything came to you, but if you were poor there was nothing you could really do about it. The poor could not get divorces either, because you needed an act on parliament and so if they did they were put in prison. The only people with power were rich males.
ReplyDeleteShelby Sprouse
They definitely had a lot higher expectations. They had to learn a lot and I suppose the higher educated you were, the higher class you were. And it was the women's responsibility. And the women were looked at as inferior to men. Women were only there to have children, raise them, and care for the house. The women also had to represent the family and house. They had to be of the upmost supperiority alllll the time. Talk about stressful! And men could do pretty much anything, however, if they were unhappy in marriage there was nothing they could do about it. The women were the only ones that could end a marriage; it was like a business deal. Pretty much, women had tooo much expected from them and had nowhere near enough respect as they deserved. I'm glad it's changed a lot since then.
ReplyDelete-Lyndsey Epling
• Social class was very rigid.
ReplyDelete• Women: provided “sanctified haven”
• First women’s mag: 1852: English Women’s Domestic Magazine
• Women with jobs were paid much less than men
• Young girls had no time for fun, only education and religion
• Learned modern language, music, dance, drawing, deportment
• Many women read “conduct manuals”
• Women were supposed to have high morals
• Governesses had no life.
• 1857-divorce legalized, law still gave males custody of children and didn’t allow women to divorce for infidelity alone
• Women were basically property of husbands
• Wives couldn’t make a salary or will, or sign a lease
• Lower class could never get divorces
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